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| Author: | Bobc [ Tue May 17, 2005 4:57 am ] |
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For anyone still interested in the merits of Super Soft II for bending difficult woods I have created a new page on my website with some photos of a couple of sides I have bent so far. http://www.rctonewoods.rcefaluguitars.com/shop_pics.htm |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Tue May 17, 2005 5:01 am ] |
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Bob, what is super soft II? also, where's my owl head, body of who - wooden plaque? |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Tue May 17, 2005 5:07 am ] |
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Dave it's a carry over from the post at link below. I thought it would get lost in the previous post. http://luthiersforum.3element.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID= 1407#forumTop |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue May 17, 2005 6:01 am ] |
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So in the end Bob, do you think the Super Soft II helped? If you still ended up with faceting I wonder if it even made much of a difference. |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Tue May 17, 2005 6:39 am ] |
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Brock I think it made a big differance. Remember the bubinga side was flatsawn and I really think it would have cracked or turned out much worse. Also the sapele side bent like butter, no facets and not a hint of cracking. I am going to try a quartered side of waterfall and I have a quilted bubinga side in the bender right now. |
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| Author: | Mike Mahar [ Tue May 17, 2005 6:52 am ] |
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For a truely scientific study you have to do sides that represent what you intend to ultimately use and then bend one side with the SuperSoft and one without. The two sides should be slices from the same board. This could be expensive if the experiment fails. Actually, it would be expensive if the experiment succeeds in that the untreated board would not bend well. |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Tue May 17, 2005 7:49 am ] |
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Mike I intend to do just that. I tried the waterfall flat sawn piece because I knew that would be extremely difficult to bend. I am going to try another side from that same board without the Super Soft using my usual method. Same for the sapele. |
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| Author: | BruceH [ Tue May 17, 2005 12:32 pm ] |
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Hi Bob, Thanks for experimenting and sharing your results. I've not heard of the Super Soft method. Is there any problem with glue or finish compatability? Thanks, BruceH |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Tue May 17, 2005 12:49 pm ] |
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Bob...Wow! Thanks for the extra-mile effort in checking out the Super Soft! For the late comers-- info on Super Soft can be found at veneersupplies.com Carlton |
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| Author: | JJ Donohue [ Tue May 17, 2005 1:23 pm ] |
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Thanks for the effort, Bob. You're one-of-a-kind...I know of no other wood supplier that has ever done what you're doing. I'm going to move up the WFB up in my building schedule based on your results. I'll be able to do it in 5 years instead of 10 now!!! 
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| Author: | RCoates [ Tue May 17, 2005 4:30 pm ] |
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Thnx Bob for your efforts. Based on my paranoia after my episode with the bees wing bubinga I had written off ever doing the WF bubinga Or the Pomele Sapele. Now I may have to put them back on the to build list. So... let me know when you get some REALLY spectacular stuff in 
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| Author: | Bobc [ Tue May 17, 2005 9:01 pm ] |
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Well my thanks to all. I think this method has a lot of promise. I still have a lot of experimenting to do like bending some of these woods without the Super Soft and maybe applying more applications on difficult woods. I did touch up the waist on the quilted sapele to get a bit tighter bend. I used my Ibex electric bending iron. Misted with some water and it just gave like butter within 30 sec. I also have left all these sides at .085 to leave a bit more stock for sanding. I have applied 2 coats of Z-Poxy on two of the sides and it looks fantastic. |
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Sat May 21, 2005 4:25 am ] |
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So, would it be out of the question to use this stuff on all bends, "difficult" or not? I mean, it doesn't seem to have any ill effects, and would be cheap insurance? I like to leave my sides at .80 or so to have room to sand...I once went to .75 and it scared me a little in the binding/filling/sanding stages... Larry |
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Sat May 21, 2005 8:20 am ] |
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bob how do you think the product would go with ziricote? i'm not far off starting a first use of ziricote and despite steve at colonial and lance assuring me the bending is no problem i'm still apprehensive. |
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| Author: | Bobc [ Sun May 22, 2005 2:02 am ] |
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Larry I don't think it would hurt anything. So far I've been using it on a lot of differant woods trying to get a feel for it. Most recently padauk which also bent without any cracking. Michael I would use it on the Ziricote also. The problem I have seen with ziricote is a tendency to fracture along the grain lines but it does bend well. |
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Sun May 22, 2005 8:41 am ] |
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Thanks Bob! That'll be my plan then...I figure I normally screw enough things up along the path from getting the shrink wrap off the wood to stringing one up anyway! Not worrying about breaking that fine ZOOT I got from you will be nice.
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